Monday, November 17, 2008

Group Discussions- Nick H, Peter S, Alex A, Graham S, Matt L, Calley R.

Group Discussion (1)

Which one of Macbeth's speeches seem to give the most insight into his character? (Give the page and line numbers.) Discuss his traits that are revealed by that speech and give the lines that support that trait or traits.


Group Discussion (2)

If you were a cop, what circumstances don't seem to add up concerning Duncan's murder?


Group Discussion (3)

How do you see Macbeth and Lady Macbeth's relationship changing in Acts IV and V? Give examples from the play to support your view.

20 comments:

CalleyR said...

okay for question one i think that the speech that Macbeth gives on page 26, lines 1- 30 gives the best insuight to his character. He is talking about how he is going to kill duncan even though he knows it is wrong and that says that he has bad morals and vaules.

CalleyR said...

Question 2: If i was a cop i think that the fact that all the possible witnesses (the gaurds that Macbeth killed after duncans boday was found) are dead is kinda shady. and there is no evidence that it was a murder also because it kinda looks like it could possibly be a suicide.

GrahamS said...

Q1: I think the most meaningful speech for Macbeth is the one on page 26-27, lines 1-28, because he is talking in great detail about how he is going to kill Duncan. This shows how much of an influence Lady Macbeth has on him. Yet he is also saying how bad it is, and how well Duncan has treated him. So he basically has two sides to this, a good and a bad. The bad, representing Lady Macbeth, is telling him to kill Duncan. While his good side is telling him that if he kills Duncan it will be wrong and he will regret it.

Hosty said...

sorry i did this kind of bad but just leave your responses to each question with like Q(1) or Q(2) etc.. so mrs. harlander will know which one you're responding to before you write your response, sorry again!

AlexA said...

Q1. i would say that the speech before Macbeth kills Duncan gives the most insight. It shows that his quest for power has no moral boundaries

AlexA said...

Q2. If i were a cop the circumstances that dont add up would be how Macbeth kills the two gaurds who he framed even before they could confess their innocence. Macbeth is the next in line for the throne so it is obvious that he would be the main suspect and his actions were pretty shaky in concerns to the murder. All of it doesn't quite add up to the gaurds being the murderers.

Hosty said...

Q(1) I think that the speech that talks the most about Macbeth's character is Act II, Scene I, lines 39-69. In this section, Macbeth is talking to himself before he goes to kill gracious king Duncan. He sees an imaginary dagger in the air with blood on it and he say's "There's no such thing. It is the bloody business which informs Thus to mine eyes." This is basically him saying that he is seeing a dagger with blood on it because he knows he is about to committ a murder. I think this shows a bit about Macbeth's lack of character because he knows he's about to kill a king who is pure of heart and good for his own blind abitions but he does it anyways.

Hosty said...

Q(2) If i were a cop, this murder of Duncan would not make a whole lot of sense to me. First of all it was very random and nobody saw it coming. Second, it would have seemed pretty fishy to me that two of the king's loyal guards would just kill him for no reason, especially since Duncan had a reputation as a gracious, kind king. Also, the fact that they did not get to argue their innocence, Macbeth just killed them out of "rage". The whole thing just screams sketchy.

StandbrookP said...

Q1: One of Macbeth's most obvious traits is his poor decision making. Macbeth does not think through his plans before he puts them into action("I am afraid to think what I've done; look on't again I dare not." 50-51 scene II act II) and the consequences come back to haunt him, for real. His problem is that he lets Lady Macbeth tell him what to do and cannot escape the decisions he made. ("Things without all remedy should be without regard: what's done is done" scene II act III)

StandbrookP said...

Q2: Everyone thought that Macbeth was such a nice guy and was loyal to the king, but actually he killed him.

CalleyR said...

okay for question three i dont really get it. cause arent they acting the same way towards each other as in acts 1 and 2? or are they starting to not like each other?

GrahamS said...

Q2: If i was a cop I would think this murder would be strange due to the fact that nobody in the castle really had anything against the king. Also the thought of Macbeth killing Duncan would never be thought of because he has shown such great respect for Duncan. Plus the idea of his guards killing him wouldn't make much sense either. Mostly because the guards showed no signs of wanting to kill Duncan. Also because they are suppose to protect the king and not kill him. Last there wasn't really any prof that the guards killed Duncan the blood on there hands and daggers could have been placed there.

Matt said...

Q1: it seems like we all have more or less the same idea as to which one of Macbeth's speeches seem to give the most insight to his character. I also agree that the speech on page 26 gives us the most insight. First of all it shows us that he can easily be swayed to someone else's views and ideas. Lady MacBeth easily gets him to go along with her plan. And later on when MacBeth has second thoughts about carrying out the plan he is once again persuaded by Lady MacBeth. Secondly it shows his power hungry state of mind. Obviously MacBeth wants to be king, but he is willing to go to any extreme to achieve that. It also shows his cowardness. He has to sneak around and get Duncan to drink something to knock him out in order to kill him. MacBeth does not face Duncan like a man.

Matt said...

Q2: This would be quite the mystery if i were a investigater working on this case. In the play they decided it was the guards who killed Duncan. But in reality Duncan would only select his most loyal of his guards to watch over him while he sleeps. The odds of those men killing him just based of that are very slim. Secondly, if it was infact the guards why would they kill themselves? It was the middle of the night and everyone was asleep, they could have easily run away. I would be absolutely dumbfounded. MacBeth would be one of the last people i would question. He had just graciously been given the very honorable postion of Thane of Cawdor. And he himself threw Duncan a lavish party to welcome him. Yes it could all be his cover up, but from what i understood only MacBeth himself and Lady MacBeth knew about MacBeth's anger not being appointed prince. As far as everyone else knew MacBeth was honored to be given the title Thane of Cawdor.

Matt said...

Q3: The biggest change in Macbeth's and Lady Macbeth's relationship that i saw was that they just went mad and became trapped inside their own minds, losing all their emotion and feelings for anyone else. After Lady Macbeth goes crazy she pretty much becomes non existen in Macbeths life. For the rest of the play we dont see them talk to each other a single time after. And when Macbeth hears of Lady Macbeth's death he doenst even seem sad. He looks over the seen for a few seconds and then is quickly distracted by the threat of someone coming to take his crown. In the beginning of the play they were willing to do anything for each other. After all Lady Macbeth said that if she had sworn something to Macbeth she would rather kill her own child than break that promise. They slowly see less and less of each other and seclude themselves more and more from the rest of the world.

AlexA said...

Q3: Just like Matt i see how the effects that the events that have occured slowy turn Macbeth and Lady Macbeth mad which drives them away from each other. Lady Macbeth becomes completey insane because i feel that the events way heavier on her consience because unlike Macbeth she actually has a consience. Macbeth on the other hand also goes insane but rather with power. As we see with Banquo's ghost Macbeth does not wish that he hadn't killed Banquo so that he could have his friend back but rather so that Banquo would not haunt him and make him fell weak. It is through these different types of insanity that the two become seperated. One due to a heavy consience the other due to and unquenchable thirst for power. It is also because of this that Macbeth doesn't really care that his wife has died, all he cares about at this time is keeping his crown, his power.

Hosty said...

Q(3) Well i agree with Matt and Alex on the insane part but i dont really agree with the part of Macbeth not having a conscience. Macbeth does feel some remorse for killing Duncan and the others, but it seems like his mind is split between what he knows is right, and his addiction to power, which obviously overrules his other side. But back to the main topic i believe their relationship changed dramatically. At first, Macbeth and Lady Macbeth were like a tag team and they did everything together. However, after all of the murders happen, Macbeth loses his composure (seeing ghosts, ect.) and things start to fall apart from there regarding their relationship. As the play goes on, Macbeth is still being tormented in his mind, but Lady Macbeth who had not been affected at first, loses her mind completely and then kills herself. As Matt said, Macbeth did not seem to phased by her death but rather the approaching English army. I didn't really find any specific quotations because i didn't really know how to show a changing relationship through quotes but i know that they did in fact grow apart as the play progresses and both of their mental states deteriorate greatly.

CalleyR said...

Question three:
in acts four and five the relationship between Macbeth and Lady Macbeth changes. Lady Macbeth starts to resent Macbethe and then eventually hates him. She is glad when he dies. Macbeth doesnt like Lady Macbeth at all and is glad when she goes away.

StandbrookP said...

Q3: Both Macbeth and Lady Macbeth went nuts. Their crazyness drives them away from eachother and they begin to stop talking to eachother. they have too many other things to worry about and dont have a strong relationship like they had in act 1-3

GrahamS said...

Q3: During the last two acts of the play I think that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth grew ferther and ferther apart. Macbeth was trying to rule as the greedy king of Scotland, only going more and more crazy with power. Lady Macbeth was also going crazy due to her sleep walking sence. This shows how the killing and power has affected her brain. She just couldn't handle all of it and lost her mind. So while Maceth is starting to get worried about being over thrown, Lady Macbeth losses her mind and baffels doctors that try and help her. The madness of power is really what seperated them.